Victorians shun ‘flexible’ electricty price plans spruiked as smart meter benefit

VICTORIANS have shunned “flexible” electricity price plans that were spruiked as a smart meter benefit.

Just 8100 customers — fewer than 1 per cent — have adopted the deals that were introduced more than two years ago, latest figures reveal.

Retailers had said the voluntary time-of-use tariffs could save some households $150 a year.

Customers are rewarded for using power late at night, early in the morning and on weekends, and pay a premium at weekday peak times.

Vinnies energy expert Gavin Dufty said households had a right to feel disappointed with smart meters, with most yet to see a “tangible benefit” from the $2.2 billion rollout.

“All we see is ever increasing complicated pay-on-time discounts, with very few companies offering pricing and services that give customers more control of their bills,” Mr Dufty said.

Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio said: “Victorians can maximise the benefits of solar panels and other energy technologies via their smart meters, connections are cheaper, and faults are detected more quickly”.

The dismal flexible tariff take-up comes as the Government defends letting customers “opt in” rather than “opt out” of planned “cost reflective” electricity distribution demand charges phased in from next year.

“We are giving Victorian households, not electricity companies, the choice about what pricing arrangements are right for them,” Ms D’Ambrosio said.

Victorian distributors responding to an Australian Energy Market Commission rule have proposed monthly demand tariffs based on maximum half-hour use during 3pm-9pm weekdays, with highest rates in summer.

Such pricing aims to encourage appliance use outside peak demand, and make those draining the network most pay their “fair share”.

It is designed to reduce investment needed for grid upgrades, therefore lowering bills on average.

But Ms D’Ambrosio said many families would be worse off if forced onto changes.

Grattan Institute energy program director Tony Wood has described the Government’s stance as a “setback for electricity tariff reform”.

But Consumer Action Law Centre chief Gerard Brody said: “Let’s hope the opt-in model provides the incentive to our energy suppliers to better communicate the benefits of tariff changes to the community”.

Karen Collier, via Herald Sun

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25 Responses to Victorians shun ‘flexible’ electricty price plans spruiked as smart meter benefit

  1. Ryan says:

    Landis+Gyr was responsible for the first commercial rollout of WiMAX smart meters in Australia and is now a consortium partner in the AUD 100 million Smart Grid Smart City Trial program. The program – Australia’s first commercial-scale smart grid trial – is a testing ground for new energy supply technologies which measure how effectively consumer behaviour can be modified.

    “Australia has been a perfect testing ground for our smart meters,” says Landis+Gyr CEO Australasia, Steve Jeston.

    “The smart meter regulatory mandate in Victoria enabled us to pursue our technological development in Australia.”

    Landis+Gyr has a R&D centre and NATA accredited manufacturing facility in Sydney. From Australia, the R&D team provides leadership to the locally-based global development centres in India and China for the Asia Pacific market.

    These assets have helped the company build a dominant share of Australia’s smart grid market and of the roll-out of advanced metering infrastructure in Victoria, with revenue doubling in the past two years.

    “As Australia is a global leader in the adoption of smart metering, our experience here is helping us to extend and develop further around the world. We are now being asked by other organisations to help their smart metering deployments in places such as Hong Kong, India and China, and we are building additional capacity in Australia as a result.”

    http://www.austrade.gov.au/international/invest/opportunities/success-stories/Landis-Gyr-finds-smart-solutions-in-Australia

  2. Hammer Mann says:

    You are Spot on there Rob Guy

  3. Anonymous says:

    Customers are rewarded for using power late at night, early in the morning and on weekends, and pay a premium at weekday peak times.
    What about people that have health problems and could not switch power usage, are they then penalized? What about people on life support, how would they switch to weekends?
    Vinnies energy expert Gavin Dufty said households had a right to feel disappointed with smart meters, with most yet to see a “tangible benefit” from the $2.2 billion rollout.
    What is a tangible benefit ? Perhaps Mr Gavin Duffy the energy expert can elaborate.
    Households can’t be disappointed because they are not living breathing men and women only men and women can be disappointed.
    What exactly is an energy expert?

    Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio said: “Victorians can maximize the benefits of solar panels and other energy technologies via their smart meters, connections are cheaper, and faults are detected more quickly”.
    This is what the SCADA System was for and is used for.
    The dismal flexible tariff take-up comes as the Government defends letting customers “opt in” rather than “opt out” of planned “cost reflective” electricity distribution demand charges phased in from next year.
    You can’t opt out if you never opted in.

    Such pricing aims to encourage appliance use outside peak demand, and make those draining the network most pay their “fair share”.
    How can a medical center use power outside peak demand?
    How can the radiologist use power outside peak demand? Do they stop halfway through your scan and tell you to come back at midnight?
    Wouldn’t places that are open all the time like a casino use the most energy? Most people don’t use much power, this was one of the reasons for possible cancer causing devices, but this reason does not exist anymore.
    People have solar panels or they just are more careful with electricity usage or they have changed to gas.This is a fact.

    It is designed to reduce investment needed for grid upgrades, therefore lowering bills on average.
    Smart possible cancer causing devices were never about lowering our bills. Its more than likely the electricity companies are concerned about solar panels and more people using these in the future. What Grid upgrades? I have not seen any and electricity usage has fallen it is the supply charge that keeps on rising.

    But Ms D’Ambrosio said many families would be worse off if forced onto changes.
    Many families have been forced into change and you have all sat back and watched. i doubted any of these people are considered about families being worse off, its more than likely they are worried about people being disconnected and demanding the possible cancer causing devices be removed. Also why antagonize people you wouldn’t want them finding out that they have been exposed to radiation that could cause health problems and cancer in the future.
    If you antagonize people too much they might just start looking into how dangerous these devices really are, they then might start seeking legal advice.

    Grattan Institute energy program director Tony Wood has described the Government’s stance as a “setback for electricity tariff reform”.
    The people are the Government, the other one is a corporation.Which Government is he speaking of?

    But Consumer Action Law Centre chief Gerard Brody said: “Let’s hope the opt-in model provides the incentive to our energy suppliers to better communicate the benefits of tariff changes to the community”
    What incentives does the Chief speak of? I am sure that elderly people want to use power late at night.

    .

  4. Rob Reiken says:

    This is nothing more than compliance training for sheeple to time when they use electricity just so to save money. Seems more like it’s been setup more so for shift workers who would be using electricity during the odd hours. It’s just another way they can steal more money as they always do. Only weeks back when it was revealed the electricity companies are ripping us of to the tune of 89% then about 5 weeks after it I got a 3 page letter stating my electricity is to come down somewhat because they got caught out ripping us off. I will surely bet the extra money were being ripped is not to pay for the cancer treatment many will get when they get cancer from these DEATH METERS. Just why do most Sheeple People tolerate this?? Because Ignorance is Bliss for most.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Has anyone ever heard of the Scada system? This was mentioned in The Rollout of Advanced Metering Infrastructure. public hearings for the Public Accounts and Estimates Committee.
    http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/…/committees/…/PAEC_VAGO_Reviews_02…Feb 24, 2014 – Towards a ‘Smart Grid’ — .
    Remote re-energisation and de-energisation is already being delivered by two out of three retailers, with a reduction in fees for that from $20 to $5. The distribution businesses are already using improved network management so they can identify outages faster and more accurately and get to them sooner to fix them sooner. There is remote measuring.
    The reply is,
    SCADA already provided them with that opportunity
    The SCADA system already provided them with that opportunity. They did not get this out of smart metering..
    This means that the Scada system was in place for detecting outages and other problems. and smart meters were not needed for this purpose.

    SCADA systems are the backbone of modern industry. … SCADA (Supervisory control and data acquisition) is an industrial automation control system at the core of many modern industries.
    This is proof that we can all use.

    • Anonymous says:

      There was never SCADA that worked at the meter level until smart meters were introduced.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anon, i am not sure what you mean. The SCADA system was mentioned in The Rollout of Advanced Metering Infrastructure. public hearings for the Public Accounts and Estimates Committee.
        Remote re-energisation and de-energisation is already being delivered by two out of three retailers, with a reduction in fees for that from $20 to $5. The distribution businesses are already using improved network management so they can identify outages faster and more accurately and get to them sooner to fix them sooner. There is remote measuring.
        The reply is,
        SCADA already provided them with that opportunity
        The SCADA system already provided them with that opportunity. They did not get this out of smart metering..
        This means that the Scada system was in place for detecting outages and other problems. and smart meters were not needed for this purpose.
        Can you prove that SCADA never worked at the meter level until smart meters were introduced?
        The report quite clearly states that SCADA already provided them with the opportunity.
        Anon care to explain what you mean?
        I did not write the report, i only read it The names of the people that spoke these words are in the report. so read it yourself.

      • Anonymous says:

        SCADA has been around for at least 60 years i believe, long before possible cancer causing transmitters, which are not meters anyway, but if you have a problem with this then take it up with the person that said
        SCADA already provided them with that opportunity
        The SCADA system already provided them with that opportunity. They did not get this out of smart metering..

        If SCADA never worked at the meter level as you claim until possible cancer causing transmitters were forced on people then the person that made this claim would be wrong
        and you need to notify them so they can retract what they said.
        Good luck with that.

        • Anonymous says:

          SCADA has been around for 60 years (or more) at the generation and transmission level – even the sub-transmission level. The key ingredient in SCADA is communication with devices – if you have no communication then you have no SCADA. The major change in the smart meter introduction was the inclusion of communication – no communication, no smart meter. No matter how many times you say it in how ever many threads you want it doesn’t make it true – There was no SCADA at the meter level until the introduction of smartmeters.

          • Anonymous says:

            Were we not told that possible cancer causing transmitters were going to detect outages faster and faults anon?
            According to the review this could already be done with the Scada system
            The distribution businesses are already using improved network management so they can identify outages faster and more accurately and get to them sooner to fix them sooner. There is remote measuring.
            The reply is,
            SCADA already provided them with that opportunity
            The SCADA system already provided them with that opportunity. They did not get this out of smart metering..
            If the Scada system already provided the distributors with the opportunity to identify outages faster, and more accurately then what do possible cancer causing transmitters do?
            I think the moral to this story is, possible cancer causing devices were never going to benefit anyone but the corporations.They were not needed according to this review for detecting outages faster and more accurately, because Scada already provided them with this opportunity. Calling possible cancer causing devices smart meters does not make them meters either, that is because they aren’t meters.
            This review is important because it quite clearly states that,
            SCADA already provided them with that opportunity
            The SCADA system already provided them with that opportunity. They did not get this out of smart metering..

  6. Max Barker says:

    The name “smart” meter is so inappropriate. There is nothing smart about this whole “smart meter” agenda and smart is the last description you could ever think of when running through any of the cast of players that have pushed this evil agenda. Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio, she is definitely anything but smart.

    Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio said: “Victorians can maximise the benefits of solar panels and other energy technologies via their smart meters, connections are cheaper, and faults are detected more quickly”.

    WRONG. Victorians can definitely maximise the benefits of solar panels but by disconnecting from the filthy stinking grid of these criminals altogether and by being totally rid of D’Ambrosio’s harmful and inappropriately named smart meter microwave devices.

    “We are giving Victorian households, not electricity companies, the choice about what pricing arrangements are right for them,” Ms D’Ambrosio said.

    What a load of crap. How does Lily D’Ambrosio manage to keep a straight face when uttering such absurdities. Were “Victorian households” given the “choice” when those thugs hired by the “electricity companies” forced their way into private households, lied to, abused, threatened, intimidated, extorted and violated residents and forcefully installed onto those properties so harmful a device clearly against the wishes of residents and leaving so many Victorians utterlyTRAUMATISED to this very day.

    How dare this STUPID woman (not smart at all) dare to make any utterance about giving Victorian Households “choice” ? The only choice Lily D’Ambrosio gives is to take choice away. She should be strung up alongside her predecessors who by their actions have shown that they were and are very evil men indeed.

    • Anonymous says:

      Lily needs to read about the Scada system that has apparently been around for years and already detects outages and problems with the grid. This was mentioned in The Rollout of Advanced Metering Infrastructure. public hearings for the Public Accounts and Estimates Committee.
      I would recommend everyone read the report and use it as evidence.

    • Hammer Mann says:

      Lily De Ambrosio,
      I allege is a very frightened person of the people, that’s her boss/s above her, I have found.

    • Stanley says:

      About smart meters, they are not smart at all, but neither are they meters. The naming of these sickness causing carcinogen boxes is utterly erroneous and false and intentionally so.

      Changing this name to digital meters does not alter the fact that we are talking about the very same sickness causing carcinogen boxes.

  7. Anonymous says:

    This article sounds very similar to all the other articles i have read.
    But Ms D’Ambrosio said many families would be worse off if forced onto changes.
    We were all forced to pay for smart devices and we are worse off now. The changes started when we started paying for these possible cancer causing devices.
    How many families were forced to accept these possible cancer causing devices that may start fires?
    I am sure having a super high supply charge on my bill benefits my family.
    Wasn’t the whole reason these possible cancer causing devices were introduced was to curb electricity usage?
    If they forced families into these changes then more people would be disconnected and in debt.

  8. Anonymous says:

    I sent an email to Vinnie’s, Gavin Duffy he never replied. I informed him that the reason electricity bill were so high was that we were paying for smart devices and even if you changed electricity retailers you still had to pay the supply charge which was high.

  9. Rob Guy says:

    Less than one percent? No surprises there. Distributors promote time-of-use tariffs to encourage users to time their domestic demand so as to compensate for fluctuating night-time demands from heavy industry thereby improving generator efficiency by keeping overall demand constant.

    Claimed benefits to consumers are mostly tosh. Distributors should publish the varying times of these cheaper tariffs in advance, and preferably on their web page. Only in this way can the customer arrange optimal timings on ovens, pool pumps and dishwashers. By declining to divulge actual timing, distributors get to control our domestic arrangements. We should not allow this.

    • Hammer Mann says:

      There are no benefits in having a so-called Smart Meter,
      They are now seemingly more and more dangerous every day with more problems mounting all over Australia and world wide at an alarming rate.

  10. So-called ‘deals’ could be extremely expensive healthwise. It might be better to keep up the pressure. I heard that there were 3500 smart meters recalled in Canada, apart from others in USA.
    People simply don’t want smart meters.

    • Rik says:

      I read they are recalling more. More like 320,000 smart meters. BUT if you read the full story they are just replacing the old smart meters with new smart meters. (Thats in Canada)
      So it sounded great till you read the whole thing then found out its not a recall just replacements going on.

  11. Anti Meter Man says:

    What’s this fair share garbage? It was the ALP that introduced this mess and here they are still trying to sell it. What a laughing stock they have become. Anyone have any ALP jokes?

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